What does it mean to penetrate the forgetting?

Have we all penetrated the forgetting because we, even if we don't have actual conscious memory of beyond the veil we have complete faith and a knowing. Like the quote says below, for wanderers the forgetting can only be penetrated by disciplined meditation and working, but I feel like most of the people here probably "remember" by reading this material alone. I am wondering if there is gradations of penetrating the forgetting and if we penetrate far enough would that allow for penetrating intelligent infinity, because I feel they are different.

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63.14 ↥ Questioner: You are saying, then, that for the transition from third to fourth density for one of the entities with doubly activated bodies, in order to make the transition the third-density body will go through the process of what we call death. Is this correct?

Ra: I am Ra. The third and fourth, combination, density’s body will die according to the necessity of third-density mind/body/spirit complex distortions.

We may respond to the heart of your questioning by noting that the purpose of such combined activation of mind/body/spirit complexes is that such entities, to some extent, consciously are aware of those fourth-density understandings which third density is unable to remember due to the forgetting. Thus fourth-density experience may be begun with the added attraction, to an entity oriented towards service to others, of dwelling in a troubled third-density environment and offering its love and compassion.

63.17 ↥ Questioner: Is the reason that they can do this and the fifth- and sixth-density Wanderers who are here cannot do it the fact that they have the fourth-density body in activation?

Ra: I am Ra. This is correct. Wanderers are third-density activated in mind/body/spirit and are subject to the forgetting which can only be penetrated with disciplined meditation and working.
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Are all dual-activated entities on the earth right now transferred from another planet? I remember reading, but am having trouble finding in the books, that all dual-activated entities were transferred here from other planets that were 4d harvestable to usher in the harvest on earth. Can you be dual-activated but not have been transferred from another planet but be from earth?

So I guess the question then is, if you die and harvest is not occuring, but you polarized enough to graduate will you then reincarnate back onto earth with this dual activated body based on your understanding you achieved even though harvest was not occuring when you died? Then you could be dual activated without being from another planet?

Bah hope you get this jist of what i am saying

This post is an attempt to understand the geometry of the place of initiation within the Great Pyramid of Giza, as described by Ra in sessions 4 and 55. Though it has been established that this place is associated with the so-called Queen's Chamber, there is a puzzling description of this region of space that Ra described as a "diamond":

Quote:4.2 Questioner: Does the shape of the pyramid have effect upon the initiation?

Ra: I am Ra. As we began the last session question, you have already recorded in your individual memory complex the first use of the shape having to do with the body complex initiation. The initiation of spirit was a more carefully designed type of initiation as regards the time/space ratios about which the entity to be initiated found itself.

If you will picture with me the side of the so-called pyramid shape and mentally imagine this triangle cut into four equal triangles, you will find the intersection of the triangle, which is at the first level on each of the four sides, forms a diamond in a plane which is horizontal. The middle of this plane is the appropriate place for the intersection of the energies streaming from the infinite dimensions and the mind/body/spirit complexes of various interwoven energy fields. Thus it was designed that the one to be initiated would, by mind, be able to perceive and then channel this, shall we say, gateway to intelligent infinity. This, then, was the second point of designing this specific shape.

Since Ra pointed out the following condition is shared by persons of homosexual orientation

Quote:Entities of this condition experience a great deal of distortion due to the fact that they have experienced many incarnations as biological male and as biological female

Quote:If an entity has had roughly 65% of its incarnations in the sexual/biological body complex, the opposite polarity to its present body complex, this entity is vulnerable to the aura infringement of your urban areas and may perhaps become of what you call an homosexual nature.

There are actions which can serve both others and self. Is it possible to be over 51% STO while having polarized over 95% STS in a unique and well planned lifetime?

Hi everyone,

I'm new to this place so this may have already been discussed, but I'd like to make my first thread (other than introducing myself).

A thought occured to me, what lessons would a 6th density entity hope to learn from 3rd density?

As of now I feel that it comes from retrieving knowledge of yourself from a new perspective which would've been impossible without wandering, but still have no clue about what one could learn from it that it wouldn't already know.

So I'd like to know about different opinions about what a 6th density wanderer could hope to learn from forgetting and coming back into 3rd density.

Questioner: Does Ra have any knowledge of the number of previous octaves; and if so, how many?

Ra: I am Ra. As far as we are aware we are in an infinite creation. There is no counting.

I wonder if our learning and progression ever stops, I think it is safe to assume that it never does. I use to think that once we eventually went through enough densities in enough octaves that eventually there would be literally nothing else we could experience and then we would join back with Source. I thought this was the 7th density of the octave we are in, but with infinite octaves, then - if we do join back with Source, it must not be permanent, as we will fragment from source again into the next octave, over and over again infinitely refining? I just assume that if we live in an infinite creation then there is infinite growth.

Though there is no way of knowing what the other octaves are like and what form we will be in etc... Maybe.

Infinity is fun

I don't know whether or not there was any similar "dedicated" thread about the real world confirmations of the material from Law of One, but I guess it would be a good idea to accumulate such things under such a thread.

Such a thread could be inspirational both for Law of One students and for the "do you actually believe this stuff" guys ( http://www.bring4th.org/forums/showthread.php?tid=9929 ).

At the time of Ra contacts, NASA had not sent its rovers to Mars yet, and they did not know for sure that the red planet was watery some time in the past.

After curiosity rover, they had to come to a point that, there were lakes and rivers on mars in the past: http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news.php?feature=4398  http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/12/0...8U20141208

But there is still a "time frame" issue; ra says the biosphere of mars disintegrated that 3rd density life ended 75.000 years ago, whereas nasa claims that the water existed in mars some billions of years ago.

In 10.15, Ra talks about atlantis:

Quote:..Approximately eleven thousand [11,000] of your years ago, the first of the, what you call, wars, caused approximately forty percent of this population to leave the density by means of disintegration of the body. The second and most devastating of the conflicts occurred approximately one oh eight two one, ten thousand eight hundred twenty-one [10,821] years in the past according to your illusion. This created an earth-changing configuration and the large part of Atlantis was no more, having been inundated. Three of the positively oriented of the Atlantean groups left this geographical locus before that devastation, placing themselves in the mountain areas of what you call Tibet, what you call Peru, and what you call Turkey.

It's winter, and we feel introspective. I had this insight.

When I convey an idea or a feeling to someone, I have the *motivation*, often non-conscious, or seducing the other of my idea or feeling. For me, this is the backbone of STS. And it shows how much STS I am, and we all are.

Even if subtle, and I am happy, and the other is happy, there is a degree of control, a degree of manipulation, a degree of free will infringement, unless the idea or feeling I convey enpowers the other, and not me.

(remember STS is about self, and it is about empowering self as original motivation; I want to convey my creation to another)

When we do love, the desire to link to someone might be again STS because it is often a feeling of a need waiting to be fulfilled. Not saying it is always. That's why people who fell in love become tormented. Or perhaps I am exhibiting a great degree of confusion.

If a old lady wants to cross the street and I offer my hand, then it is a clear STO action. To me it seems STO is desireless. A bit like the Buddists and the Wu Wei philosophies.

A cat is unpolarized. Doesn't think.

A human is polarized and always polarizing. It thinks, it feels, it has motivations, and desires/aspirations.

If I say one more word, I feel I am getting too much STS.

Also trying to help another out of motivation is distorted. It can be STS. I think true STO is genuine, it is not planned and self-motivated. You know it. It is spontaneous.

Finally, it's not necessarely STS to express ourselves, if we do not have a self-motivation to assert ourselves and our ideas or feelings (our ego).

I am currently mostly STS, perhaps 75%. But mostly of undecided direction.
I try not to strive towards STS or STO. If I strive, then I quickly polarize STS. Even if I try to polarize STO. Because it ends up being forced.

If I let it go, flow, then I might depolarize or polarize slightly STO, especially as I encounter other human beings, especially strangers.

Yet often mind spontaneously polarizes STS, as I sit down home, doing stuff, or interacting with people that I already know..

Both directions are well imprinted in my lifetime.

Also, one always polarizes slightly STS in our society. We need to make money, we need to feed ourselves. If you need to work for your boss, that's not STO either, that's part of the STS hierarchy, yet you depolarize yourself. I feel strongly that nearly everyone around is also strongly STS, doesn't matter the country.

I tried to join a project that I thought of strongly STO, a charity, but it turned out to be strongly STS hierarchical, still with the low end of the pyramid with some strongly STO individuals. But the place was not allowing me to flourish in that direction, so both me and my partner end up quitting our jobs. I now seek living without creating too much time of STS activities to feed myself, or making income, but still I end up going STS nevertheless. Gosh, even this act is not serving others, though it depolarizes myself, and gives a change to you guys of doing some polarization in either way.

But yeah, if we help the lady crossing the street, then that's a STO moment. One of those rare moments.

Hope I haven't bothered you guys that much. Above most, do not feed my STS ego in your replies if possible, be egoless in your replies

Main question is: how do I, now, allow to attract situations that will not either demand me something like working for someone (STS), force me to go my own way of making a living (STS), but instead be of pure STO quality like the example I stated above.

Kindly,