Where does Ra say that some wanderers come from them?
I've heard it said before.

The issue of killing and eating animals has been a very hot topic here at Bring4th. The most common argument in favor of disregarding the *free will of animals is that they are, after all, merely 2D entities, like plants. Since we must eat something, the argument goes, it makes no difference whether we 'choose' to eat plants or animals, since they are all 2D anyway.

Here is a very compelling video citing cases of animals showing complex, profound, human-like emotions, such as inconsolable grief when losing a loved one. (Don't worry; it's not graphic!)

2D Entities Showing Grief and Other Emotions  <<== The VIDEO. PLEASE WATCH.

Yes THAT ONE! ^^ That's the one to WATCH! Before continuing. PLEASE WATCH, PRETTY PLEASE WITH A CHERRY ON TOP.

* Animals clearly do have the will to live, being that they fight their killers. Someone will surely now respond "But maybe plants do too!" Maybe. Maybe not. We know very little about plants. We know that they have some sort of consciousness. But we know that animals have sentience; ie. individual consciousness; ie. self-awareness. We also know that animals have pain receptors and nervous systems, whereas plants don't. We also know from Ra that the hardware must accommodate the software, so it logically follows from that, that if an entity has evolved to the state of having sentience, it will inhabit a physical vehicle that can accommodate that sentience.

Please don't turn this thread into another vegans-vs-meat-eaters debate! We already have plenty of those!

The purpose of this thread is to explore what Ra says about 2D entities. (That's why it's posted in Strictly Law of One instead of the Diet sub-forum. Please help me keep this on-track, ok? Pretty please? Truce?)

Also, please, pretty please, with a cherry on top, can you please watch the above video before you post anything? Out of respect to the topic, it would be helpful if we're all on the same page. The video has important details about observed behaviors in our younger 2D brethren which are exceedingly relevant to this topic.

OK, now that you've watched the video...

So, what does Ra say about 2D entities?

Quote:13.21 Questioner: Then how does the second density progress to the third?
Ra: I am Ra. The second density strives towards the third density which is the density of self-consciousness or self-awareness. The striving takes place through the higher second-density forms who are invested by third-density beings with an identity to the extent that they become self-aware mind/body complexes, thus becoming mind/body/spirit complexes and entering third density, the first density of consciousness of spirit.

Quote:9.14 Questioner: Then there were second-density entities here prior to approximately 75,000 years ago. What type of entities were these?

Ra: The second density is the density of the higher plant life and animal life which exists without the upward drive towards the infinite. These second-density beings are of an octave of consciousness just as you find various orientations of consciousness among the conscious entities of your vibration.

Quote:19.5 Questioner: When the first second-density entities became third on this planet, was this with the help of the transfer of beings from Mars, or were there second-density entities that evolved into third density with no outside influence?

Ra: I am Ra. There were some second-density entities which made the graduation into third density with no outside stimulus but only the efficient use of experience.

Quote:Others of your planetary second density joined the third-density cycle due to harvesting efforts by the same sort of sending of vibratory aid as those of the Confederation send you now. This communication was, however, telepathic rather than telepathic/vocal or telepathic/written due to the nature of second-density beings.

Quote:20.3 Questioner: So more and more second-density entities are making it into third density. Can you give me an example of a second-density entity coming into third density, say, in the recent past?

Ra: I am Ra. Perhaps the most common occurrence of second-density graduation during third-density cycle is the so-called pet.

The animal which is exposed to the individualizing influences of the bond between animal and third-density entity, this individuation causes a sharp rise in the potential of the second-density entity so that upon the cessation of physical complex the mind/body complex does not return unto the undifferentiated consciousness of that species, if you will.

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Quote:[/url]14.[url=http://www.lawofone.info/results.php?s=14#1]1 Questioner: Going back over this morning’s work, [inaudible]. You said the second density strives towards the third density which is the density of self-consciousness or self-awareness. The striving takes place through higher second-density forms invested by third-density beings. Could you explain what you mean by this?

Ra: I am Ra. Much as you would put on a vestment, so do your third-density beings invest or clothe some second-density beings with self-awareness. This is often done through the opportunity of what you call pets. It has also been done by various other means of investiture. These include many so-called religious practice complexes which personify and send love to various natural second-density beings in their group form.

Quote:14.2 Questioner: When this Earth was second-density, how did the second-density beings on this Earth become so invested?

Ra: There was not this type of investment as spoken but the simple third-density investment which is the line of spiraling light calling distortion upward from density to density. The process takes longer when there is no investment made by incarnate third-density beings.

Quote:13.18 Questioner: Could you define what you mean by growth?

Ra: I am Ra. Picture, if you will, the difference between first-vibrational mineral or water life and the lower second-density beings which begin to move about within and upon its being. This movement is the characteristic of second density, the striving towards light and growth.

Quote:19.2 Questioner: Let’s take the point at which an individualized entity of second density is ready for transition to third. Is this second-density being what we would call animal?

Ra: I am Ra. There are three types of second-density entities which become, shall we say, enspirited. The first is the animal. This is the most predominant. The second is the vegetable, most especially that which you call sound vibration complex “tree.” These entities are capable of giving and receiving enough love to become individualized. The third category is mineral. Occasionally a certain location, place as you may call it, becomes energized to individuality through the love it receives and gives in relationship to a third-density entity which is in relationship to it. This is the least common transition.

Quote:20.4 Questioner: Then can you give me an example of an entity in third density that was just previously a second-density entity? What type of entity do they become here?

Ra: I am Ra. As a second-density entity returns as third-density for the beginning of this process of learning, the entity is equipped with the lowest, if you will so call these vibrational distortions, forms of third-density consciousness; that is, equipped with self-consciousness.

Quote:19.7 Questioner: Then the Confederation also aided in second density to third density transition. Is this correct?


Ra: I am Ra. We must qualify correctness of this query. A portion of the Confederation which is not working with third density but finds its aid best used in other harvests— that is the second-density harvest— is responsible for aid in these harvests. The Confederation, as we have stated previously in these sessions, is composed of many of those in other densities, in your own density, within your planetary sphere, and within the inner or angelic realms. Each of those entities developing a mind/body/spirit complex, and then developing a social memory complex, and then dedicating this social memory complex to the singular service to the One Creator, may join the Confederation.

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Quote:19.15 Questioner: Then the newest third-density beings who’ve just made the transition from second are still strongly biased towards self-service. There must be many other mechanisms to create an awareness of the possibility of service to others.


I am wondering, first— two things. I’m wondering about the mechanism and I am wondering when the split takes place where the entity is able to continue on the road towards service to self that will eventually take him to fourth or fifth density.

I would assume that an entity can continue— can start, say, in second density with service totally to self and continue right on through and just stay on what we would call the path of service to self and never ever be pulled over. Is this correct?


Ra: I am Ra. This is incorrect. The second-density concept of serving self includes the serving of those associated with tribe or pack. This is not seen in second density as separation of self and other-self. All is seen as self since in some forms of second-density entities, if the tribe or pack becomes weakened, so does the entity within the tribe or pack.

The new or initial third-density entity has this innocent, shall we say, bias or distortion towards viewing those in the family, the society, as you would call, perhaps, country, as self. Thus though a distortion not helpful for progress in third density, it is without polarity.

The break becomes apparent when the entity perceives other-selves as other-selves and consciously determines to manipulate other-selves for the benefit of the self. This is the beginning of the road of which you speak.

Quote:40.3 Questioner: Thank you. I was also wondering if the first density corresponded somehow to the color red, the second to the color orange, the third to the color yellow and so on through the densities corresponding to the colors in perhaps a way so that the basic vibration that forms the photon that forms the core of all atomic particles would have a relationship to that color in the densityand, and that that vibration would step up for second, third, and fourth density corresponding to the increase in the vibration of the colors. Is this in any way correct?


Ra: I am Ra. This is more correct than you have stated. Firstly, you are correct in positing a quantum, if you will, as the nature of each density and further correct in assuming that these quanta may be seen to be of vibratory natures corresponding to color as you grasp this word. However, it is also true, as you have suspected but not asked, that each density is of the metaphysical characteristic complex of its ray. Thus in first density the red ray is the foundation for all that is to come. In second density the orange ray is that of movement and growth of the individual, this ray striving towards the yellow ray of self-conscious manifestations of a social nature as well as individual; third density being the equivalent, and so forth, each density being primarily its ray plus the attractions of the following ray pulling it forward in evolution and to some extent coloring or shading the chief color of that density.

Quote:13.17 Questioner: Does this first density then progress to greater awareness?


Ra: The spiraling energy, which is the characteristic of what you call “light,” moves in straight line spiral thus giving spirals an inevitable vector upwards to a more comprehensive beingness with regards to intelligent infinity. Thus, first dimensional beingness strives towards the second-density lessons of a type of awareness which includes growth rather than dissolution or random change.


19.14 Questioner: Then we have second-density beings who have primarily motivation towards service to self and possibly a little bit of service to others with respect to their immediate families going into third density and carrying this bias with them but being in a position now where this bias will slowly be modified to one which is aimed toward a social complex and then ultimately toward union with the all. Am I correct?


Ra: I am Ra. You are correct.


19.6 Questioner: Who sent the aid to the second-density beings?

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I've become more adept in the areas of Theosophy, Hermeticism, Mysticism, Philosophy, Gnosis/Henosis, and various forms of esoteric/occult knowledge. 

I would be very curious to know whether at the time of this channeled material, if Carla or any of the members of the group engaged in Theosophy. The correlation of certain principles, concepts and spiritual knowledge cannot be ignored. It makes no difference if the group was or was not aware, but I would be extremely fascinated if the group truly had no knowledge of these ideas. 

Theosophy teaches many similar principles as the Law of One, however, the Law of One is much more sophisticated and elaborate in its explanation of certain concepts. Theosophy claims to maintain the Secret Doctrine and truths of the Ancient past, otherwise known as the Ancient Wisdom.

Theosophy varies in it's ideologies, but one of its primary components is that of the Causeless Cause - an Omnipresent, Eternal, Boundless, and Immutable Principle described as infinity to intelligence, spirit & consciousness. It is synonymous with the Absolute.

Causeless Cause periodically emanate Logoi, in which the Logoic Monad develops into the heptad (the seven principles). This idea is developed further in various ways within the Seven Rays of Creation. 

Theosophy attempts to unify philosophy, religion, and science, as well as metaphysics/theology. It's teachings are primarily taught through symbols.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Causeless_cause
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_rays

Causeless Cause, infinity to impersonal intelligence.... Intelligent Infinity...
Logoi and the Heptad (Seven Rays)... The Logos and the Seven Densities determined by the Seven Chakras...

Again... this is taking nothing away from the Law of One. If anything, I'm stamping my approval of it's teachings. I'm just very curious to know whether the group was engaged on their quest with prior knowledge of Theosophy, Ancient Wisdom, the Occult, and eastern/western mystery religions/philosophies, as the correlation is undeniable. 

I would like to hear some thoughts on this and whether or not anyone knows if the group studied the occult prior to channeling Ra. 

Much love and light.

Hermes

Like the subject says: What does anyone predict will be the future of this octave of densities? In other words, does anybody spot any future trends based on what the Law of One material indicates? To make it easier, I think it would have to include what Ra has implied about the beginning of this universe (as far back as what Ra knows) and other things.

I'll kick it off by stating my theory of where I see this octave is going (based on a close examination of the Ra material). I think that it might be very likely that, especially on future 3rd density planets, the veil will intensify even further. As most of us know, at the very beginning, there was not much of a veil, if any. The lack of a veil was why 3rd density took such a long period of time for each entity because there was no real motivation to progress. But when the idea for the veiling process appeared, then things really started to take off. Here's an example of how important the veiling process is to Ra:

Quote:79.10 Questioner: Then prior to the first extension of the first distortion the veil or loss of awareness did not occur. Then, from this I will make the assumption that this veil or loss of remembering consciously that which occurred before the incarnation was the primary tool for extending the first distortion. Is this correct?

Ra: I am Ra. Your correctness is limited. This was the first tool.

Quote:41.26 Questioner: This may be too long a question for this working, but I will ask it and if it is too long we can continue it at a later time. Could you tell me of the development of the social memory complex Ra, from its first beginnings and what catalyst it used to get to where it is now in activation of rays? Is this too long a question?

Ra: I am Ra. The question does not demand a long answer, for we who experienced the vibratory densities upon that planetary sphere which you call Venus were fortunate in being able to move in harmony with the planetary vibrations with an harmonious graduation to second, to third, and to fourth, and a greatly accelerated fourth-density experience.

We spent much time/space, if you will, in fifth density balancing the intense compassion we had gained in fourth density. The graduation again was harmonious and our social memory complex which had become most firmly cemented in fourth density remained of a very strong and helpful nature.

Our sixth-density work was also accelerated because of the harmony of our social memory complex so that we were able to set out as members of the Confederation to even more swiftly approach graduation to seventh density. Our harmony, however, has been a grievous source of naïveté as regards working with your planet. Is there a brief query before we leave this instrument?

Quote:89.35 Questioner: What was the catalyst for their change?

Ra: I am Ra. In our peoples there was what may be considered, from the viewpoint of wisdom [5th density], an overabundance of love. These entities looked at those still in darkness and saw that those of a neutral or somewhat negative viewpoint found such harmony, shall we say, sickening. The Wanderers felt that a more wisdom-oriented way of seeking love could be more appealing to those in darkness.

I've read a lot on the ascended masters lately, but I can't seem to find any direct connection to the Ra material. Is anything of that sort mentioned? Any opinions on this? 

I'd like to know how differently are perceived negative entities from the perspective that one obtained by reading the Ra material.

From my perspective of it, negative entities seem to have an equally important role in Creation and are no meant to be disminished but rather understood and accepted as the Creator providing services to the Creator. All that they do would answer the need of another Creator to experience something. 3D negative and 6D negative are nothing alike as 6D STS is equally close to the One Intelligent Infinity as 6D STO is. They also seem to be entities that often wishes to be misunderstood in their intents performing the role of a mirror reflecting what others wish to see and so their imbalances in broad daylight.

Quote:77.17 Questioner: Now, would it be possible for this work of our density to be performed if all of the sub-Logoi chose the same polarity in any particular expression or evolution of a Logos? Let us make the assumption that our sun created nothing but, through the first distortion, there was no product except positive polarity. Would work then be done in fourth density and higher as a function only of this positive polarization evolving from our original creation of sub-Logos?

Ra: I am Ra. Elements of this query illustrate the reason I was unable to answer your previous question without knowledge of the Logos involved. To turn to your question, there were Logoi which chose to set the plan for the activation of mind/body/spirit complexes through each true-color body without recourse to the prior application of free will. It is, to our knowledge, only in an absence of free will that the conditions of which you speak obtain. In such a procession of densities you find an extraordinarily long, as you measure time, third density; likewise, fourth density. Then, as the entities begin to see the Creator, there is a very rapid, as you measure time, procession towards the eighth density. This is due to the fact that one who knows not, cares not.

Let us illustrate by observing the relative harmony and unchanging quality of existence in one of your, as you call it, primitive tribes. The entities have the concepts of lawful and taboo, but the law is inexorable and all events occur as predestined. There is no concept of right and wrong, good or bad. It is a culture in monochrome. In this context you may see the one you call Lucifer as the true light-bringer in that the knowledge of good and evil both precipitated the mind/body/spirits of this Logos from the Edenic conditions of constant contentment but also provided the impetus to move, to work and to learn.

Those Logoi whose creations have been set up without free will have not, in the feeling of those Logoi, given the Creator the quality and variety of experience of Itself as have those Logoi which have incorporated free will as paramount. Thusly you find those Logoi moving through the timeless states at what you would see as a later space/time to choose the free will character when elucidating the foundations of each Logos.

Hey everybody!

I'm looking for a specific definition/understanding of what Ra/Q'uo meant by "work in consciousness".

There seem to be so many myriad ways of working on the self. Even listening to meaningful music and being with the feelings seems to me to be 'working on the self'. And yet, is some subset of these activities deemed 'work in consciousness?'

Any insight much appreciated,
Eric

Quote:36.18 Questioner: Are there any examples of sixth-density negatively polarized Wanderers in our historical past?

Ra: I am Ra. This information could be harmful. We withhold it. Please attempt to view the entities about you as part of the Creator. We can explain no further.

Quote:69.12 Questioner: Is it possible to tell me roughly how many Wanderers that have come to this planet within this master cycle have experienced this displacement into a negative time/space? Just wondering if there have been many.

Ra: I am Ra. We can note the number of such occurrences. There has been only one. We cannot, due to the Law of Confusion, discuss the entity.

The conditions and the material of higher densities are confusing; especially the fourth.

Quote:43.17 Questioner: Is it necessary to eat food in fourth density?

Ra: I am Ra. This is correct.

43.18 Questioner: The mechanism of, shall we say, social catalyst due to a necessity for feeding the body then is active in fourth density. Is this correct?

Ra: I am Ra. This is incorrect. The fourth-density being desires to serve and the preparation of foodstuffs is extremely simple due to increased communion between entity and living foodstuff. Therefore, this is not a significant catalyst but rather a simple precondition of the space/time experience. The catalyst involved is the necessity for the ingestion of foodstuffs. This is not considered to be of importance by fourth-density entities and it, therefore, aids in the teach/learning of patience.

Quote:43.16 Questioner: We know that the physical vehicle in fourth density that is used during space/time, I am assuming, is quite similar to the one that we now use in third density. Is this correct?

Ra: I am Ra. The chemical elements used are not the same. However, the appearance is similar.

Quote:75.17 Questioner: How was the Orion entity able to act through this linkage of the “Hosanna?” Was this simply because of the mental distortion of the instrument at this period of time, because of that suggested by the music, or was it a more physical or more metaphysical link from the time of Christ?

Ra: I am Ra. Firstly, the latter supposition is false. This entity is not linked with the entity, Jehoshua. Secondly, there is a most unique circumstance. There is an entity which has attracted the attention of an Orion light being. This is extremely rare.

This entity has an intense devotion to the teachings and example of the one it calls Jesus. This entity then vibrates in song a most demanding version, called The Mass in B Minor by Bach, of this exemplary votive complex of sound vibrations. The entity is consciously identifying with each part of this Mass. Only thusly was the chink made available. As you can see, it is not an ordinary occurrence and would not have happened had any ingredient been left out: exhaustion, bias in belief complexes, attention from an Orion entity, and the metaphysical nature of that particular set of words.