I thank you for your time in reading these questions, and perhaps even replying something.

Love to you brothers and sisters. You have helped me very much to date already.

Here:

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I am willing to know more examples of love, wisdom, love/wisdom balance. This forum is a fine place for asking this.
The Confederation regards Jesus as an example of love, Buddha as an example of wisdom, Lao Tzu and Gandhi as examples of love and wisdom balanced. Who else can you think of, I am interested in your ideas which I will profoundly consider.

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-Do you have ideas on what kind of experience, spiritual growth can result in meeting members of The Confederation. They say:
We must serve you to the best of our ability. This will include meeting with you when this will result in what you desire. What you desire is that you grow in a spiritual sense, so that you may better serve your fellow man, fulfilling your desire, his desire, and the desire of The Creator. When our meeting with you will increase your spiritual growth and therefore meet your desire, we will desire to meet with you. I hope that I have made this point more clear.

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Is it common, in third-density, that someone who after being involved in many STS activities and who polarized almost totaly STS turns almost totaly STO once the one discovers The Truth, or realizes the unity and love of all things, of the whole creation, The Creator etc?

We are told that, we have free will. That we can choose. That, there exists free will. Various philosophies and propositions exist to that extent.

Lets examine a rock. it is in the 1st consciousness of this octave. its free will, freedom of movement, manifestation, states that it can choose to be, are, what a rock can be.

Lets examine a single cellular organism. it is in the early 2nd consciousness. it can move about, manifest, choose states of being limited to a single cell organism. it cannot go more than this. the available set of choices to it, are defined.

Lets examine a late 2d organism. it moves about, it has various feelings, it can act socially, and make more choices. its choices are much broader.

Now a 3d entity. It is aware that there are other entities exist. the choices available to it increases.

A 4d entity is one that lives in an environment that thoughts reflect to become things. This effect is lower in early stages of 4d, and it increases to high level in late stages of 4d.

And when the entity moves to 5d, freedom increases even more. it can change its body to manifest as it wants, food can be created, light can be shaped.

by now i think we established a pattern :

The level of freedom and free will and choices increase as one goes higher in the octave and nears infinity.

Vice versa, finiteness, makes an entity lack free will and choice, proportional to the level of its finiteness. from rock, to 7d entity, there is a constant increase in freedom.

moreover, there are even more changes from octave to octave. back in the previous octave, there was the mover and the moved polarities.

can anyone now choose to be of mover polarity ? or the moved ? no. these polarities are now built in to manifestation, the archetypes of mind, body and spirit, and they cannot be totally separated from each other.

that means that, basically, the entities in this octave are much more free in various ways, but also, they are not free in some other ways ; regardless of how high you go in the octave, you cannot just choose to manifest the polarities and realities of the earlier octave in this octave, because, the fabric and rules of existence in this octave do not allow this.

thats, another limitation of free will and choices.

there is even a more curious conclusion ; even though freedom increases as one nears infinity, and, probably becomes totally infinite (with the rate it is going) at the point of infinity, infinity itself is not free ! because, infinity is infinity, and cannot choose to be anything other than infinity, if it remains as infinity. for infinity to have any choice, it must be finite. this, is impossible for infinity -> only its finite parts can choose, because, different states are only available to finites.

these philosophically limit the freedom and free will, and makes it not unbounded, and cannot be unbounded.

moreover, the way this octave is built, ie in graded steps, and in interactive cause->effect relationships as a functioning system makes it so that the available choices to an entity is limited and dependent on the set of possibilities its environment offers to it.

if we look at this light, then, various wisdom points come into light. i will use Ra's and yahweh's examples to illustrate these. tesla also can be used, or einstein actually.

now, in the history of this solar system, various 3d societies were offered various technological or spiritual boons. this, led maldek to be destroyed, mars become inhabitable, and earth to destabilize, (and maybe narrowly averted destruction) and innumerable other issues and troubles.

the corollary of the philosophical points above reflect in these cases as such :

what was given was beyond the set of freedom defined for 3d entities. hence, it created problems.

imagine putting a monkey in the control room of a nuclear reactor. or, a nuclear silo. it sounds absurd isnt it. it is. because, it shouldnt happen.

or, imagine giving shotguns, or the control of a crane to 4 year old kids. similarly, these shouldnt also happen.

there is also the idea that, when looked from the perspective of 7d totality, there isnt that much freedom because anyone's actions and choices changes things, and affects also others, making our choices and freedoms limited with all the entities manifesting in our octave. or maybe even beyond. but that is a separate, and lengthy topic it seems.

So what I have come to understand initially on initiation, is that it provides the means for a mind/body/spirit complex to become a purified channel for intelligent infinity, be "reborn" physically, and the ability to heal others (which is the result of being in contact with intelligent infinity). In addition, the purified channel may also use a crystalline structure such as a diamond or ruby for "almost any application".

Initiation does not appear, however, to have had any beneficial effect on the length of life of those that were initiated, as we may see from a chronological chart of kings/queens of Egypt.

Quote:Ra: For the purposes of initiation, the size needed to be large enough to create the impression of towering size so that the entrance point of multi-dimensional intelligent infinity would completely pervade and fill the channel, the entire body being able to rest in this focused area. Furthermore, it was necessary for healing purposes that both channel and the one to be healed be able to rest within that focused point.

Moderator Note: This thread was split from Olio > Wisdom in evaluating sources outside of L/L Research

(08-03-2010, 09:48 AM)unity100 Wrote: there is also the consideration of wisdom. an outside source may be positive, but, it may contain less pure understandings of existence, and thus while giving a positive 4d understanding, it may distort other ray understandings.
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it is actually quite simple. there may be a valid, positive channel praising 4d service to the extent of martyrdom. this may be acceptable and valid for 4d understanding, but, it would be folly when looked from the perspective of early 5d and higher. 4d understanding is more distorted than 5d, and 5d is more distorted than 6d, and so it goes.

(08-03-2010, 04:23 AM)Ali Quadir Wrote: Which for many positive sources is of course not a problem. However in the cases where material is not clearly positive the impossible burden of determining even before discussion whether the material is acceptable or not will land squarely on the shoulders of the moderators. And no matter how good they are, asking them to be clairvoyant might be pushing things.

Hey all,

I've been unclear on something for far too long and I'm hoping you can set me right on something. I'm not sure how to view the densities in relationship to our own 3rd density, and the universe in general. Allow me to elaborate...

I believe I am correct in understanding a density to be synonymous for the most part with a dimension. So when Ra says in session 6 of Venus:

Quote:Ra: I am Ra. The third-density conditions are not hospitable to the life-forms of your peoples. The fifth and sixth dimensions of that planetary sphere are quite conducive to growing/learning/teaching.

Quote:89.9 Questioner: It appears that the end of Ra’s third density coincided with the beginning of this planet’s second density. Is that correct?

Ra: I am Ra. This is roughly correct.

according to Ra, it is as such :

Quote:17.30 Questioner: If an entity wants to be of service to others rather than service to self while he is in this third density, are there “best ways” of being of service to others, or is any way just as good as any other way?

Ra: I am Ra. The best way to be of service to others has been explicitly covered in previous material. We will iterate briefly.

The best way of service to others is the constant attempt to seek to share the love of the Creator as it is known to the inner self. This involves self knowledge and the ability to open the self to the other-self without hesitation. This involves, shall we say, radiating that which is the essence or the heart of the mind/body/spirit complex.

Speaking to the intention of your question, the best way for each seeker in third density to be of service to others is unique to that mind/body/spirit complex. This means that the mind/body/spirit complex must then seek within itself the intelligence of its own discernment as to the way it may best serve other-selves. This will be different for each. There is no best. There is no generalization. Nothing is known.

I was under the impression sixth density was based in time/space. This quote however, states the opposite...

Quote:Ra: I am Ra. I am sixth density with a strong seeking towards seventh
density. The harvest for us will be in only approximately two and one-half
million of your years and it is our desire to be ready for harvest as it
approaches in our space/time continuum.

Ra; Book One Session Four Wrote:Ra: I am Ra. [...]

If you will picture with me the side of the so-called pyramid shape and
mentally imagine this triangle cut into four equal triangles, you will find the
intersection of the triangle, which is at the first level on each of the four
sides, forms a diamond in a plane which is horizontal. The middle of this
plane is the appropriate place for the intersection of the energies streaming
from the infinite dimensions and the mind/body/spirit complexes of various
interwoven energy fields. Thus it was designed that the one to be initiated
would, by mind, be able to perceive and then channel this, shall we say,
gateway to intelligent infinity. This, then, was the second point of designing
this specific shape.

In my opinion the STS and STO distinction is not so important after 3D. Once the decision has been made, polarization is just a matter of power. I seem to recall Ra or Qu'o saying something to this effect. But what is important, in my view, beyond 3D is STC - Service To the Creator/Creation. Once it is understood that all is one, then STS and STO distinctions are meaningless and any service rendered is rendered to the all. Maybe this doesn't fully happen until 6D.

So, beyond 3D (but perhaps not in full force until 6D) service involves being a co-creator/co-appreciator (I think that having appreciators of a creation is just as important as having creators, similar to Ra's concept of teaching/learning). I say this because everyone among us has a creative instinct that is as strong as any STO or STS instinct, but many religions de-emphasize it (some even expressly suppress it!). This is probably due to the imperative in 3D to make the choice between STO and STS.

Speaking personally, I feel that someone like Chopin allows one to realize the greatness and glory of the creator just as much as does Jesus. Jesus is all about love, but Chopin is all about glory and beauty. You can insert your favorite artist/creator here. I hypothesize that the great genius artists such as Chopin, Michaelangelo, Shakespeare, etc were 6D wanderers, who came to Earth to inspire us and show us a glimpse of the glory of the creator, just as 4D Jesus came to Earth to show us his love, and 5D Buddha came to Earth to give us wisdom.

So, if it is true that all that are drawn to this forum are wanderers, and some are from 6D, I would suggest to you that creation/appreciation is just as valuable an activity as spreading love or wisdom. Just make sure that you have polarized enough one way or the other so that you can graduate during the Harvest.

An analogy came to mind that is a fun way for me to think about this Choice we face in each moment of our life on 3d earth.

In the British government, the political party that is out of power is the monarch's Loyal Opposition. The premise is that the king or queen deserves the best possible government. Unfortunately, the voters have put the wrong party in power! Nevertheless, the losing party continues to express their point of view about what should be done.

As soon as the voters fix their mistaken choice, the formerly losing party is now the ruling party, and their plans become the law of the land and the actions of the government. In this way the out-of-power party is ready to provide as much guidance to the monarch as the public will accept.

(Of course this storyline is one of the charming but irrelevant stories that Brits like to use as a form of entertainment and myth, justifying some of their snazzy ceremonies that they do so well every few years. Outside of official speech day, I bet most Members of Parliament never think or talk at all in these terms. But the analogy is helpful.)

In the same way, STO and STS spiritual forces each provide a suggestion for how we should focus our soul's attention in order to serve the ultimate Creator. In our lives, we are each the voter of our own personal sovereign state of our own lives. There is one vote per government - our own vote - for which party's platform is the way we run our lives.

In Britain, both parties have a mixture of people and ideas, both good and bad. Neither party is entirely the party of Peace, Love, Unity, and Harmony. Nor is either party entirely the party of Total War and Conquest outside the nation, plus Ultimate Authoritarianism against the population. Both main parties have elements of both ideas.

In our spiritual universe, the Service-to-Self Party provides a non-stop self-aggrandizement platform of fear, control, manipulation, violence, deceit, etc. And the Service-to-Others Party offers a 24/7 platform of mutual respect, creative expression, compassion, networked participation without coercion, etc.

On earth, the STS party will ultimately reach a dead end. When outward growth depends on conquest, and there is nothing left to conquer, an empire can't grow any more. When the government has to rely on an obedient, taxpaying population, excess authority makes people leave, or refuse to participate, or have a revolution so widespread it can't be beat back down.

And the same is true spiritually. Eventually the STS forces will reach a spiritual cul-de-sac, a dead end of evolution. For any further growth, they'll have to open the hearts to the light and love, the compassion and caring, the goodwill based cooperation that they've denied.

Until they get there, however, they are the Loyal Opposition to the STO forces of light & love. They have an alternative plan for everything, in every moment: the plan of imperial conquest at all levels. The dark plan includes scheming manipulation of politics and economics over hundreds and even thousands of years. It continues all the way down through the rudeness and arrogance of how one treats one's encounters in daily life, and down to the micro level of hating, despising, controlling and micro-managing one's own thoughts and feelings moment to moment.

In every moment of awareness, we can choose to fulfill the STS or STO roadmap. Over the course of a lifetime, the total tally of our votes demonstrates our true party affiliation.