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      Interesting question (IMO)
    Posted by: Ole - 04-03-2009, 12:30 PM - Forum: Strictly Law of One Material - Replies (12)

    Yesterday, someone posted a quote from Ra, where they say that honesty is the key to the blue chakra. It's easy to see how, because, among other things, dishonesty makes it hard to let communication flow freely, without having to keep track of old half-truths and lies.

    The Ra material is full of such short, really useful observations. Another is that acceptance is key to the positive polarity, and control is key to the negative, love vs. fear. So if you accept yourself, you don't have to hide anything from others. You can speak freely, without reservations, no need to control things through manipulation and secrets, and so on.

    That made me wonder -- what are the keys to opening the other chakras? Is that already answered in the archives, or can we piece it together from what we have already recieved? If not, I would really like to ask Q'uo about it.

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    Question Loneliness of Body, Mind or Spirit; which is which?
    Posted by: Brian - 04-02-2009, 10:52 PM - Forum: Strictly Law of One Material - Replies (21)

    In session 61, Ra said there is a "loneliness which is the natural function of the body as opposed to those types of loneliness which are of the mind/emotion complex or of the spirit."

    How do I distinguish between these?
    When I am lonely, how do I determine if I am experiencing loneliness of the body, of the mind, or of the spirit?

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    Question Catalyst for the higher mind goes to the lower.
    Posted by: Brian - 04-02-2009, 06:49 PM - Forum: Strictly Law of One Material - Replies (10)

    Somewhere in the Ra writings we are told that if we receive growth catalyst intended for a high level of the self and we do not use it at this level, the catalyst is then shunted down to a lower level such as the body complex for use there.
    Examples were given, I do not now remember them but they were something like: If I do not use catalyst intended to open my spiritual sight I will end up needing glasses because my body will mimic the refusal of my higher mind to process catalyst at it's level.

    I have been trying to remember the exact wording of this statement and would therefore like to look it up, but so far have not found it.
    Does someone here remember which session this is in?

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      [Q] Earth as logos
    Posted by: zenmaster - 03-28-2009, 07:10 PM - Forum: Strictly Law of One Material - Replies (12)

    Quote:15:53:46 ‹Bring4th_Steve› Carla, the next question comes from ZenMaster:

    15:54:01 ‹Bring4th_CarlaLisbeth› Thanks, Kens! U 2! L/L xxx

    15:54:18 ‹Bring4th_Steve› First will be a quote from the LOO:

    15:54:28 ‹Bring4th_Steve› From LOO Book II, Session 29:

    15:54:42 ‹Bring4th_Steve› "Questioner: ...the planet which we walk upon here would be some form of sub-sub-Logos. Is this correct?"

    15:54:55 ‹Bring4th_Steve› "Ra: I am Ra. A planetary entity is so named only as Logos if It is working in harmonic fashion with entities or mind/body complexes upon Its surface or within Its electromagnetic field."

    15:55:05 ‹Bring4th_Steve› Kensanwa asks: Could you explain a little bit about the nature of the "intelligence" that forms in such harmony (between the Earth and its inhabitants)?

    ** Note: The Bring4th Chat application and Bring4th Web Server decided it was time to end today's chat! We apologize that the last question of the session was interrupted and not able to be answered by Carla. **

    Any update on this? Thanks.

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      Is the difference between 3rd density and beyond so profound?
    Posted by: Memorandem - 03-21-2009, 12:02 AM - Forum: Strictly Law of One Material - Replies (11)

    Hello. I am new here. I have not read much of the Ra material, though I have read some of the Cassiopaean transcripts. What I am interested in is how much this idea of mine goes along with the LOO stuff. I do not aim to misconstrue anything here.

    I have come to understand that in the union of All that Is, 3rd density represents a lesson as well as anything else. After reading to the 3rd chapter of the Wanderer's Handbook, I began to construct an idea based on my personal experience. I feel as if many here are caught up in the STS/3rd density vs. STO/higher densities thing and have not yet seen the big picture.

    Everything I am about to present on my idea is nearly hypothetical, which is why I am asking for other thoughts on it. I want to know if this is new and if and how it pertains to the LOO.

    In page 72 of the Wanderer's Handbook, the Q'uo are quoted:

    Quote:We do not see ourselves as being wiser than those within third density but merely in a somewhat different illusion, and, therefore, in some-
    what different circumstances. Yet we, as you, seek to know and yet do
    not know. We simply have come to hold fairly settled opinions, and, as
    is the way of things spiritual, our truths move constantly into the
    unknown, as do your own. Thusly, there is always the contradiction,
    the tangle, the knot of attempting to understand that which can only be
    embodied.

    It seems to me from this that maybe many in the New Age movement are seeking too far into the higher centers and not spending enough time laying a solid but flexible groundwork in our own 3rd density illusion. I have always thought that the lessons of our present reality MUST be learned before trying to master higher ideals, or we have no solid foundation of Love.

    The Q'uo might seem to agree (almost, maybe not entirely). I found this quote in another thread, taken out of the transcript of 2007_1124:

    Quote:The first requirement for working with the gateway to intelligent infinity is that the heart be open. Consequently, although many seekers do not wish to continue to work intensively with the lower three chakras, it is our opinion that it is essential to continue to work with those three chakras, giving them all of the honor and respect that you give the higher chakras.

    The entire quote is in this thread in post 3. http://www.bring4th.org/forums/showthread.php?tid=71

    With this in mind, I will post something I sent to a friend. This explains very well the idea that I have constructed. I have set it as a quote to distinguish it from the rest of the text, but it was written by me.

    Quote:I will tell you something that I hope is relatively new to you. I hope that I am not serving as a distraction.

    >Inflated self-esteem is most often brought on by a self-willed amnesia of one's all-too-real faults and the consequences of them; low self-esteem is the bottom point of this cyclical mania, and is brought on by an unhealthy preoccupation with those same faults.

    I don't believe it is very different than what you are saying but I don't think it is really this simple. I believe there are other factors that open up doors for a spiritual mastery of sorts. What you say is true for the most part but we must also consider the catalyst that moves one to struggle with the Ego. A balance between high and low self-esteem can be made, if one simply wants to live a balanced life. But to live in balance and without struggle is to not grow, as we must struggle with ourselves in order to grow.

    I believe that anyone truly trying to move forward in "goodness" will certainly run into the Ego. The point is not to keep from struggling with it, but to test it, learn about it, and learn how to take it apart and put it back together to perform a more productive task. If you seek to not have problems with it, you effectively stop your spiritual growth. Anyone growing will struggle. It can be said that struggle is growth. So while the struggle might cause artefacts that affect the outside world in an "negatively-perceived" way, our struggles tend to count as an investment toward harmony within our environment, where when we can function flawlessly at a material level, we can also do so spiritually.

    The ego is the cause of everything that is perceived as pain. We trick ourselves into believing in our own illusion of "pain" because it gives us an excuse to live a relatively painless life. Everyone who is trying to live painlessly in a spiritual way is actually still living within the illusion of their ego. When one loses the Ego, they lose pain. All is put towards a spiritual purpose and pain serves to point out one's weaknesses - a blessing that the Ego disguises.

    And now we have the concept of STS vs. STO.

    STS=Service to Self
    STO=Servivce to Others.

    A very easy way to wrap up two concepts. These two acronyms represent a decent body of information relating to the Ego vs. the higher good.

    The most recognizable characteristic of an STS orientation is wishful thinking. Wishful thinking is always selfish and represents an unwillingness to "be happy" or work with what one has. STS is dominated by the Ego. Much can be learned by watching one's "wishful thoughts".

    STO is a selfless form of serving others, although one cannot be sincerely selfless since all is part of creation and thus we do justly have ourselves to worry about sometimes. When one is of the STO orientation, their actions are controlled by wills rather than desires, and everything is put toward a spiritual purpose.

    Anyone can be truly STO if they desire, and this "bumps them up" a level. However, without the 3D and material knowledge, there isn't much you can do. Your actions are limited by your material base because at the higher spiritual levels one is not allowed to contradict Self or act selfishly. Thus, we have two ways we can achieve "spirituality" - we can choose to be that way instantly (which is almost never done), or we can build our material base up with comprehension until it naturally takes us to the higher level. While we are at the higher level, we will always feel as if we are "outside a bubble, looking in", unless we have built our material base up well enough that we can identify with the material reality as a union with the spiritual one. All is truly connected, and in order to break the illusions of separation, we have to learn and act upon the knowledge that all is equal as far as God is concerned. One large difference between the spiritual worlds and the material one is that they are simply different illusions. One can teach the other how to move into a different illusion of reality, but one must come to understand themselves how it is all simply part of creation.

    To add some understanding that may be lacking in the above, In order to operate above 3rd density, one must go through the filter of the 3rd density mind. The 3rd density concept of reality must allow for the possibility of the higher realities or one is contradicting themselves. So our 3rd density minds must not hold any opinions or non-truths that will constrict our channel to the higher realities, if we are to experience those realities completely.

    I truly hope that there is understanding to be gained from this and that I have not posted something unmeaningful.

    - Memorandem

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      Earth in 3D/7th Octave?
    Posted by: Quantum - 03-19-2009, 01:26 PM - Forum: Strictly Law of One Material - Replies (22)

    We speak much to the Graduation and the Harvest, but little has been mentioned as regards the Octaves. Are we presumably completing 3D in its 7th Octave and entering 8th, in as much as we are entering 4D in its first?

    Perhaps this is as appropriate of a question on "The Harvest" thread?

    More musings....

    Q

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      Consideratons of s/t and t/s
    Posted by: 3D Sunset - 03-18-2009, 03:22 PM - Forum: Strictly Law of One Material - Replies (16)

    I pulled this from a discussion we we're having on the Dewey B. Larson thread of the Science and Technology Forum (by the way, it's not just for geeks any more).

    Quote:DON: The Higher Self is reluctant to enter the negative time/space because then it has to incarnate in negative space/time. Can you explain this? (B3,151)

    RA: In time/space, which is precisely as much of your self as is space/time, all times are simultaneous just as, in your geography, your cities and villages are all functioning, bustling and alive with entities going about their business all at once.

    So it is in time/space with the self. Each time/space is an analog of a particular sort or vibration of space/time. When a negative time/space is entered by an entity the next experience will be that of the appropriate space/time. This is done by the form-making body of a mind/body/spirit complex which places the entity in the proper time/space for incarnation. (B3,151)

    So we all have t/s equivalent bodies that exist at the appropriate "locations" in t/s. I think it may actually be easier to perceive of negative t/s, than negative s/t. Ever since reading LOO, I've wondered what it might mean if one accidentally stumbled into negative s/t. I suppose that this is not possible, though since one apparently moves into negative s/t only from negative t/s.

    Doesn't this imply then, that all 3D existence is in some form of neutral space/time, and between incarnations, wouldn't we move into neutral time/space? It doesn't make sense to me that the area of "the choice" between STO and STS would be done in either positive or negative space/time. Isn't this a part of the significance of Harvest, to move into the appropriate s/t and t/s for further evolution? This also highlights one of the significant perils of incarnating into 3D, for it lands a wanderer on a s/t stage that could eventually lead to negative t/s.

    I've never seen reference to neutral s/t and t/s. Have others contemplated this before?

    3D Sunset

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      Protection
    Posted by: peelstreetguy - 03-13-2009, 01:18 AM - Forum: Strictly Law of One Material - Replies (24)

    My better half and I have realized that whenever we make a strong move to polarize further that we encounter great resistance after a day or two. I don't think we are the only ones to experience this. So this thread is about how to protect yourself and protect and purify your place of working/meditation.
    Ra has much to say about this, because of the knowledgeable Questions of Don Elkins, concerning western high white magic.
    This is the spirit of this thread.
    Shall we discuss this?

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      1981.01.27 Session 10 of The Law of One by Ra
    Posted by: ayadew - 03-09-2009, 07:08 AM - Forum: Strictly Law of One Material - Replies (6)

    Quote:Questioner: For the general development of the reader of this book, could you state some of the practices or exercises to perform to produce an acceleration toward the Law of One?

    Ra: I am Ra.

    Exercise One. This is the most nearly centered and useable within your illusion complex. The moment contains love. That is the lesson/goal of this illusion or density. The exercise is to consciously seek that love in awareness and understanding distortions. The first attempt is the cornerstone. Upon this choosing rests the remainder of the life-experience of an entity. The second seeking of love within the moment begins the addition. The third seeking powers the second, the fourth powering or doubling the third. As with the previous type of empowerment, there will be some loss of power due to flaws within the seeking in the distortion of insincerity. However, the conscious statement of self to self of the desire to seek love is so central an act of will that, as before, the loss of power due to this friction is inconsequential.

    Exercise Two. The universe is one being. When a mind/body/spirit complex views another mind/body/spirit complex, see the Creator. This is an helpful exercise.

    Exercise Three. Gaze within a mirror. See the Creator.

    Exercise Four. Gaze at the creation which lies about the mind/body/spirit complex of each entity. See the Creator.

    The foundation or prerequisite of these exercises is a predilection towards what may be called meditation, contemplation, or prayer. With this attitude, these exercises can be processed. Without it, the data will not sink down into the roots of the tree of mind, thus enabling and ennobling the body and touching the spirit.

    My dear friends, I may have stated similar otherwise, and we may have had discussion on this excerpt before, but I strongly feel this is the most important passage for me in all of Ra's LOO material. I wish to discuss this further with all of you.
    What is love, my friends? This is a very good question, but seemingly vain as it's another paradox.

    Love is what seemingly binds us together and all one ultimately desires. It surpasses the distortion we have labelled 'logic', because it is both logical and illogical simultaneously.

    From a logical perspective we can view it as the reason humans have concluded from observing our behaviour as a species, the reason of reproduction.

    From the illogical perspective it has no cause and effect, it simply permeates all parts of existence. Indeed, the "compassion with which unity is informed by its very nature" is an expression of universal Love. Love loves what is. Love loves everything, including those that wishes to destroy it. Love loves unity and unity is love. It exists everywhere, always, and can be felt for no reason at all. No reason, my friends, other than existing.

    And what is existence? Is it something logical, that can explain this reason which appears from no cause?
    I think not, for the mind seemingly invented 'awareness' for no reason at all. It built itself, then wondered why it did. Additionally, the mind can deny logic by the very thought of everything existing simultaneously, also by perceiving the part of the Creator's distortion which does not contain logic. The mind can be a 'logical' device defying logic.

    This is not logical. And thus there is a part of love, should it be invented by our brain, which is not logical.
    So, in the end, we do not know what Love is, as it's another paradox, both illogical and logical.

    But does this matter, my friends? Do we need an explanation? For me, it does not, for is not it's pure existence all we crave for? To be fully embraced by an universal love. I cannot even begin to understand such joy, meaning and gratitude towards All.
    To find love in every moment, to change all situations to something more unifying, can be done! It can be understood and it exists, truly, in this reality, should you chose to see it.
    And every time you chose to, you gain an increased understanding of love and unity and all it's distortions, and as such they empower eachother.

    This is my individual distortion of the definition of love and "Exercise One" as stated by Ra.

    I would be grateful and honored to hear your thoughts on the matter, my friends.

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    Rainbow Biased view of STO
    Posted by: irpsit - 03-06-2009, 03:04 AM - Forum: Strictly Law of One Material - Replies (30)

    Should the people here start a thread talking about how can one go along with the STO path, overcoming its traps and challenges?

    I have seen many here talking extensively about the STS path. That is good since we are in an open forum about the Law of One and that is one of two paths.
    But I ask you, how many committed to the STO path? I think it would be good, as a STO activity, to discuss the issues we encounter in ourlife in encountering others, in trying to serve others, in dealing with our own issues. Otherwise, we have a biased view of the STO path as we did towards the STS.Angel

    STO is also not an easy path. Otherwise everyone would be doing it nowadays and graduating. It involves opening our hearts to share inifinity and love with others. That is a challenging thing in our STS world, when we are pushed to think so much of ourselves (self-pleasures as food, tv, sports, sex) and then we forget about becoming STO.Confused

    STO is just not chatting over the internet with others. I see it in Mother Teresa, Saint Francis of Assisi, and many others that have walked a path devoted to help others, in science, religion, arts, human rights, etc...
    Would be inspired with one of those?Heart

    If I would offer money to the beggar just because I seek a STO path that would indeed be a self-motivation. But to truly share a life, helping my spouse or co-workers, helping my friends in the good and hard times, making STO solutions out of this finantial crisis instead of seeking self-survival, those are indeed hallmarks of a STO path. Blush
    I would humbly expose my view that I myself am still more STS than STO, at least more than 50%, so that does not make me STO, but just someone that is open to walk that path. Never mind that it would take me another 3D 25000-years round of lifes. I would gladly do it.Shy

    How to do manifest STO in your daily life (e.g. relationships, hobbies, professional life, attitudes to money and resources, desires and motivations)?
    Tongue

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